RIOTS: A scene from violent disturbance in Tottenham, north London
BLACK MEN were unfairly targeted in media coverage of the recent UK riots, claimed a majority of readers who voted in our online poll.
Sixty-one percent felt that images of rioters and looters, caught up in the violent disturbances over UK last week, unfairly singled out black men.
These results come after BBC aired a controversial debate, which asked whether there was a ‘problem with young black men’ following violent disturbances, sparked by a riot in Tottenham, that brought parts of the UK to a standstill last week.
The discussion, on BBC World Radio, triggered several calls to The Voice, with angered readers saying they felt the discussion topic was “ignorant.”
“People are outraged because it is such an ignorant question. It is not a brilliant or even thought provoking debate,” one reader said.
The broadcaster released a statement apologising for the title of topic, but insisted that the debate was “a responsible attempt to debate social attitudes towards young black men”.
And just a few days ago (Aug 13) well-known historian and broadcaster David Starkey caused outrage for his comments on BBC TV where he blamed ‘black culture’ for turning white youngsters into looters
In a discussion on BBC2's Newsnight show, Starkey said he had been re-reading racist MP Enough Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech.
Starkey claimed: “The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic, gangster culture has become the fashion.”
He added: “And black and white, boy and girl, operate in this language together, this language which is wholly false, which is this Jamaican patois that’s been intruded in England, and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country.”
Your Voice
Commentsy are you looking in a mirror
y are you looking in a mirror ,,, when you should be looking out the window....
I would encourage anyone who
I would encourage anyone who genuinely believes that the riot coverage was biased against black rioters to see what a statistician would have to say about that astoundingly inaccurate supposition:
The first step might be helping black children to be less aggressive particularly toward police officers who should be treated with respect. Black youth seems to believe (hope?)they are in America rather than the UK.
Until black men are able to help raise their children and parents teach their children to respect the police it seems inevitable that teenage single parent 'families' will continue to allow their children to roam the streets at 3:00 AM and then be shocked when he gets shot / shoots someone and say he was "a good boy" and a "promising footballer" to the media.
Take some responsibility like good honest taxpayers and your children will learn from you. Or you could get angry and blame everyone else but yourselves. Depends if you care about your children though i guess - may i also suggest having less :D.
WOW ...
The Person on here who has no name but simply speaks the truth . Coming from a white person living in the ghetto who hires staff to protect those white people who publish stories to print . I have to say I was reading your posts with such intent a clear half hour of my day is gone .
Its so true how the media makes the black men in particular look like thugs criminals where their white counterparts are portrayed as a little bit naughty ..
I was out in the riots with my security team ( a white female running a security firm mostly hiring incredible , intelligent , hard working . black men as opposed to their un educated , lazy white counterparts )I saw a mix of everything there wasn't one of any race or sex .
However their was a lack of one thing POLICE !
Please white people of Britain take a leaf of out someone with intelligence's book and grow a brain .
Racism is ignorant you look stupid and personally I feel like its time to educate and realise .. First person to walk the earth... OUR ancestors .. OURS let me clarify ! was BLACK .... So stop dissing yourselves ! White Black Green whatever we are one race .. HUMAN ..
SCotland
There were no riots there that week as the gangs are white.
Black day for Britian
The riots started in the black community of Tottenham over the FIRST fatal shooting of a black male by the MET in their history. 14 coppers have been killed by non white males in that period. It was black comunities rioting, simple as, targeting OTHER ethnic businesses. You have a chip on your shoulder guys, why you rioted. Dont forget 80% of Englands heroin passes through Tottenham and the police are only there to try and stop that.
POT CALLING THE KETTLE
POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!
Some of the Greek islands – I’m thinking in particular of Zakinthos, but there are certainly others – are seriously plagued during the summer months by hordes of drunken and violent British youths, about 90 percent of them white. They drink themselves insensate, fornicate publicly in the streets, fight each other and sometimes assault passers-by, scream foul language at everyone in sight, and vomit and defecate everywhere. This type of behaviour doesn’t seem to have been copied from black culture – not so far as one can see, anyway – and it’s not an expression of poverty, judging by the number of vodka bottles that are downed every night.
Like it or loathe it (and I personally loathe it), and admit it or not, what I’m referring to is part and parcel of contemporary British culture – in fact in some parts of the continent, this is what Britain is best known for these days. It’s a part of British culture that in my opinion owes nothing to the blacks, and its existence seems to me to suggest something much deeper than the allegedly sinister effects of “multiculturism”. Perhaps it would be better to do something about it, before the blacks start learning from the young white English visitors who every summer are doing their best to make life hell for everyone in the more popular of the holiday resorts of the Mediterranean.
Blacks overrepresented in riots
Sorry, but if anything the media went out of their way to show whites. The reality is that the riots began due to a shooting by Operation Trident which deals with black crime. The initial riots were in response to that and spread to suburbs in London with large black populations.
UP RISING
Can someone please tell me why is it we can only see colour what does colour matter if you were looking into someone's eyes or seeing them for the first time are you looking at the colour of their eyes to assess them?????PLEASE......
A pretty damning 60/40???
A pretty damning 60/40??? Clearly not!
For a tiny minority, there
For a tiny minority, there sure seems to contain a disproportionate amount of people willing to take lives. This is England - lest we forget - not Jamaica.
Blacl men unfairly targeted during the riot
I don't think black men were unfairly targeted. The newspaper clearly showed photos of black and while males, as well as males and females.
There is no need to cover for black men who intentionally involved themselves in rioting and looting.
When there is a breakdown in the familt structure, there will be a breakdown in the community. When there is a breakdown in the community, there is a breakdown in the country. Where these rioters and looters are one race or the other, it is now societies problem to address.
London Riot 2011
Black people (Sons of Cush) should move out of the gheto and move to other surbubs or other parts of London or England. We can always gather if we want to gather we do not need to live in in ghetoes to show our strenght. I use to live in Tottenham but now I live in South Woodham Ferrers in Essex.
Please move out if you can. The whole of England is wating for us. Thank you.
E Livingstone
South Woodham Ferrer
Essex
‘Black Men Unfairly Targeted In Riot Coverage’
'' BLACK MEN were unfairly targeted in media coverage of the recent UK riots, claimed a majority of readers who voted in our online poll. ''
Come on The Voice, what did you expect the result of your online poll to be?
Next thing I know I'll be reading the folloewing;
''BNP and EDL members are angels,they are not racist and love black people claimed a majority of readers who voted online in The BNP Newspaper.''
targetting of black men
Let's be clear what your response shows is how incredibly stupid you are. Yes !!! This is a black newspaper owned, managed and ran by black people ; however the paper is read by other people in the UK. What the paper wanted to do is to get an assessment of how people felt and probably most importantly how black people felt they are being represented in mainstream media.
For you to draw parallels with the bnp shows your ignorance. first off this is not racist newspaper they do not propagate the same attitudes as the fools who live in their little cub of a world where they have become so limited in thought they have no grasp that this is a world full of many cultures and colours but most importantly all things come from one thing which is black.
This might be news to the bnp} but most importantly I wouldn't be surprised if they committed suicide knowing their original ancestors were indeed black.None the less, the topic at hand is that black people feel they are being targeted by a media who has no concept of impartiality they stoke race hate subliminally people in the wider communities read their coverage of recent news and like yourself fell black people are most aggressive and wear mongering people in society.
What they fail to realise is how deeply involved they are in wars around the planet they are in Afghanistan they are in Libya they are a war mongering race they ruled in every continent for some time they did this thru the art of war the black communities are patrolled and dealt with like communities under seige so don't get it twisted do you realise how violent the police act towards black youth even more so than towards whites.
Let me tell you a story they have been so many injustices done to black people in this country it would make your eyes water ; do you realise that because of racist practices the criminal statistics have been exaggerated due to the inordinate amount and disproportionate numbers of black men imprisoned unjustly and without reason other than the desire to lock up blacks for the reasons nothing more than their black skins.
DO you realise that the sentencing agenda is disproportionate again if you are black and your white counterpart does exactly the same crime then you will expect to do more time, there is no doubt!!!! Again I will remind you that three black men were murdered during the period of unrest two in London and one in Birmingham.so if you think that the police have the right to take the lives of black then you are very sorry person.
Ashamed
I'm tired of feeling ashamed of being black
Blacl men unfairly targeted during the riot
AMEN to that.
never feel ashamed
Never be ashamed, it wasnt black people that took another race into slavery, went to the Americas and Australia and killed the indigeneous peoples there, black people have never set up race hate groups, black people never wore white robes to lynch white people or burned crosses on their lawns...think of the positives like the contributions to everyday survival like Traffic Lights, gas mask, fridge, lawn mower, post box, elevator, light bulb (Lewis Latimer NOT Edison) the list goes on.
"...it wasnt black people
"...it wasnt black people that took another race into slavery"
This may be true, but black people (like many other peoples throughout history) did take their own race into slavery, is that any better? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade
"...black people have never set up race hate groups"
Yes thay have. 'Blackwash' is an example of a race hate group set up by black people: http://www.artsreview.co.za/style/2009/03/19/fuck-the-rainbow-nation-coz...
No-one should be ashamed on the basis of their race. To suggest or imply that they should is itself racist.
‘Black men unfairly targeted in riot coverage’
So when a white man shoots dead 69 people do we say perhaps there's a problem with young white males? We could play black Vs white criminals all day. How about the white nail bomber (David Copeland) and former BNP member? A 23 month old child had a nail penetrate his skull and a pregnant woman was killed as a result of his actions. Perhaps you would prefer we talk about Ian Huntley? Better still. How about Raoul Moat? I could go on all day! You should stick to celebrating your white gangsters (Krays). At least black people don't celebrate their murderers and make movies detailing the number of innocent people they killed.
Umm....your comparisons don't
Umm....your comparisons don't even make sense and are at best irrelevant.
5 people murdered - all by
5 people murdered - all by black men, arson, assault, robbery, all major gangs in the country plus numerous black on black murders etc. stop the excuses and start facing the facts before race relations are reversed - there IS a problem with the socialisation of young black men.The evidence speaks for itself. Start taking responsibility and making changes.
5 people were murdered, but
5 people were murdered, but the comparisions to white men have got to be made as it is not only black people who are committing the crime, white people like to brush their sins under the carpet and awful lot but they are respopnsible for a lot of the poverty, murder and rape inthe world, they are in fact far from perfect.
Anthony France
Anthony France is The Sun's 'criminal Journalist' - he's black but often writes bigoted articles about black people.
Here's his email address: - write and complain a.france@the-sun.co.uk
Heres a list of all his articles - many of them well-known high profile cases: http://journalisted.com/anthony-france?allarticles=yes
Here is one I found from the 9th Aug:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3741129/Cops-vow-to-nail-the-T...
This article from the 12th Aug is an example of how Anthony France often twists stories. This talks about Mark Duggan's uncle being a gangster (in an effort to besmirch Mark Duggan) http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3747840/Gangster-suspect-shot-...
This is a tactic Anthony France often uses - it should be remembered that The Sun's sister paper, The News of the World was recently exposed as paying for information from Police Officers before a case has gone to trial (it is illegal for Police Officers to do this as far as I am aware).
Here's another article by Anthony France demonstrating what Im saying about the way he often twists a story - in it he is trotting out all the now discredited mis-information concerning the Mark Duggan shooting: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3736694/Gunman-killed-in-shoot...
Here is a picture of Anthony France: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/93635/Airport-security-scandal...
Your comments and expose is
Your comments and expose is surely valid and concise as well as apt. We have been indoctrinated, brain washed for over 500 years to detest and hate ourselves. In the past in Africa all EVIL reflected and was deemed as'white' or what was called the white devil. The 360 degrees turn was by ourselves letting down our guard and reverse psychology prevails where everything which is evil and bad is black.
Hence, the enemies looks likes us: Anthony France is a sheer Waste of time. I will NEVER buy the Sun as it is rag which is a mouth piece for the EDL, BNP, Tory Party and far right!!!
But we must also look at the
But we must also look at the other side. Five people murdered all killed by black males
Is this true? Were all 5 of
Is this true? Were all 5 of the murder victims of the riots killed by black males? Can you please send link to pictures of the suspects. Because I have been looking all over the net for days now and cant find any.
Most of the rioters were
Most of the rioters were black men: so why is it unfair to report the truth?
read a book...
most of of the rioters were not black and that's a fact..Majority of the rioters were WHITE. The media just showed BLACKS not WHITES who were the ones who started MOST of the SERIOUS crimes during the riots. Seems to me you along the rest of the country has been and will always be totally aloof to what goes on around you everyday. Maybe your kids kids kids kids kids kids might be different.I sincerely doubt that happening.
‘Black men unfairly targeted in riot coverage’
Those people need to remember their history, black people are doing nothing to turn whites black, whites have been doing this from the beginning of time, it is in their blood.
The media and the advertisers have a lot to answer for, for too long no positive black on black family been show on British television, when was the last time you saw black drama, film staring a black man and black woman in the lead role, you see black and white.
It is like they have a secrete silent unspoken pack between them to keep black people down, make them want to be more like white and lose all their identity, which is know as divide and concur. That is what the Romans did to the English and enslaved them for 400 years; they in turn are doing the same to us. We need to unite, really unite, teach our children their history, English history, Roman history and Spanish history; they all interlink and are very interesting. It will give you an insight on why the English are so evil. Black people, do not allow this white race to make you feel like you are nothing, they have taken and learned so much from black people that is why they want to keep us down unity is our strength.
The BNP are definitly
The BNP are definitly capitaliusing on the riots starting off in Tottenham, and refering to them all as Race Riots, and they even have the nerve to say the media is being racist for only shaming mainly white people!
what can we do? :(
Black men unfairly targeted -
Black men unfairly targeted - maybe. But what's new? We live in a racist world, which breeds a racist society, which trickles down into everything - government, media etc. Let's get over it! The fact remains, I saw too many black faces involved with the UK riots. Can we start doing something constructive to help our own community and stop criticising things that we can't do anything about. We need to instill family values, marriage, we need to omit this 'baby father / baby mother' rubbish and start believing in family. Also I'm not a church goer, but there is something to be said for having a faith to guide you through life. I've signed up to a mentoring programme and work with a community interest company that works with young people in Waltham Forest. I've also donated time, money and resources to those affected in Tottenham. If we all did something, things would improve - who's with me?
You know I think a lot of
You know I think a lot of white people are reading enoch powell these days. What powell said was influenced by the race riots in the USA in the late 60s. He was worried that the UK would start to form Ghettoes where trouble could start-like those in the USA. Do you as voice readers think there was a grain of truth in what he said? Trouble seems to brew in the ghetto doesnt it!
I have seen a lot of this gangsta culture in the young. Its very negative but I dont think the community is strong on marriage or parenting skills. It needs some improvement. Where were the parents of that rioting 9 year old. Why didnt the parent of that girl accompany her to court? These children are out of control!