DEVASTATION: A Carpetright store in Tottenham, north London, burns
A MAJORITY of Voice Online readers condemn the riots that have rocked London and surrounding areas over the last three days.
A staggering 79 percent of users who voted in our online poll said that they didn’t believe there was any justifiable cause for the violence that has brought London, and other areas in the UK, to its knees.
Countless businesses and shops were damaged and other burned beyond recognition when yobs took to the streets in Tottenham, Wood Green, Enfield, Lewisham, Croydon and even as far-reaching as Birmingham from Saturday evening (Aug 6).
The violence was sparked after a peaceful protest in Tottenham, north London, calling for the answers into the death of a 29-year-old man shot dead by police last week (Aug 4), turned nasty.
It is alleged that police hit a 16-year-old girl in the face with a baton after she threw a stone at police officers outside Tottenham police station, which angered onlookers.
In the minutes to follow two police cars were set on fire, which then sparked further violence and looting around the UK.
It is thought damage could run into millions of pounds.
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CommentsJust disgraceful! I suggest
Just disgraceful! I suggest mass deportation for all convicted criminals, born in UK or not.
riots
I have lived in east london all my life and have experianced direct abuse and been attacked on more that one ocasion whilst walking through Dalston by black women. On one ocasion in the past, I was on a train (NLLL) coming from Hackney Wick and going to Dalston on a busy Sunday afternoon in August and was attacked by a black woman because I wanted to sit down next to her and asked her to move her baby's push chair, she refused and she through a McDonalds drink in my face and we started to fight, when I got to Dalston I got off the train and faught her on the platform. I was not going to be threttened or intimidated by anyone regardless of their colour or culture. I do believe some black people in our society really do think that society owes them something, more than any one else. The point I am making is that there are stigma attatched to different members of the community we live in, if people react and act out those stigma, discrimination will always provale. Stigam dircrimination is rife in our society. But to act in an unjustified way and annihilate out local community through looting is not the way to respond, in the name of social deprovation. This initally started in Tottenham when a man was shot by police last week and the local community came out on the streets. In my persional opinion if we want a fair and democratic responce to this situation, this is not the way for out community to act. I am a working class white woman and I as most working class people in society are have financial difficualty in the present economic climit. I can appreciate the point being mad about parts of london net feeling the pressures of financial difficulty and also not experiancing the looting as these areas are protected. This just emphosises the devide between the society we live in financially...
Riots
Of course there are underlying causes, but common sense should rule over senseless behavior. Because you are poor or underprivileged, does this mean you should let your children roam the streets, riot, steal, and boast about it on camera? Is there no shame among the parents? Or don't these children have parents? Are there no churchgoers living in London? Has faith and prayer gone out of the window in these times of need? And before anyone asks 'what has the church ever done for us', turn the question back on yourselves. What have you done for yourselves or others, or are you still sitting on your laurels waiting for government help? How many displaced people have you opened your doors to? How many groups have you helped to form and cook at the weekend for people who are hungry or homeless. Many hands make light work and my advice is "BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE".
Times are hard I agree, but much more can be achieved if people form groups and work with each other instead of seeking to be better than each other.
There are still many opportunities in London, but from the news I'm getting, many of the young have become accustomed to having there own way and therefore have chosen the wrong path, or want to take the easy-get rich quick path and that shows in them carrying 'Pioneer' equipment out of stores. I haven't seen many people robbing Tesco's of food products. There is a saying that 'if you live by the sword, you die by the sword'. I would say Mark Duggan was an intelligent young man by the sounds of it, but seems to have chosen to carry an banned weapon, to be involved in drugs, and to run with gangs. Why? Does this go back to his parenting? Does his parents skills of teaching him the right way go back to the area from which they came in their home country? Is poverty really the route cause? Or is it bad discipline, greed and envy?
Be careful when giving a child 'the best of everything' and making sure they 'want for nothing', because in the quest to give a child everything you never had, you quite often teach him/her that he is better than someone else or is 'entitled' to things which he/she has not worked for.
Correction
Can I just point out that there is no evidence as yet coming from the IPCC that Mark Duggan was carrying a weapon - a weapon was FOUND NEAR to his body in a sock. Similarly there is no evidence that Im aware of as yet which says he was 'running with gangs' either....
Its important to make sure we do not engage in speculation as if its fact before the actual facts are known...
What black people in the UK
What black people in the UK need is a leader, we have no one who can speak out on our behalf.With all the chaos around us and people voicing different opinions as to 'why'our youths are running riot in the community, we need someone who can narrow down the 'whys'and face the politicians and tell them what's is making our youths so mad.
We need to get this meesage across to the Police 'stop intimidating Black men' enough is enough, but the burning question is Who can we
trust to speak on our behalf.
There Is No Justification For Riots,’ Say Voice Readers
'why'our youths are running riot in the community,
Scum bags run riot for no reason.
Law abiding black people don't break shop windows and steal TVs pc's iphones training shoes from JD sports , and burn buildings.
Hope that's answered your problem.
British police are the best
British police are the best in the world,they have made a couple of mistake but who hasn't , successive government have systematically erroded the power of this police , ..criminals are not punished enough and there is no visible deterrent in sight to stop criminals , even when they are caught , they go scot free after a couple of months ..hence we have this trouble today . it did not start last week ?but began 20 years .
The government has also that taken parental power of discipline away from parents through the social services ,hence we have the kids controlling the streets.
Finally this is not a race issue ..
AT THE STAGE PLEASE CALL IN THE NIGERIAN RIOT POLICE ,they will clean this mess up , completely disgrace to UK
What A Load Of Baloney!
What a complete load of nonsense...
Firstly - to take your last point, the idea that the Nigerian Riot Police could come into a situation like this and make it better is completely laughable. Nigeria is a country full of corruption and greed with a complete lack of concern for the lives and human rights of its own citizens - what makes you think they could come and sort out the mess of another country's citizens when they cant sort out their own?
Secondly, the idea that the Government has somehow 'taken away parental power of discipline' is a complete joke. One that I have heard being spouted regularly by people over the past few days.
There is no Governmental edict which stops disciplining of children. Although I suspect that what you actually mean is you feel that you cannot BEAT your children....
What kind of parent is it that only has one mode of discipline available to them which involves beating a child into submission?
If you can't discipline your children without resorting to violence then YOU are the cause of 'society's problems' as much as the other parents.
Discipline is about teaching children how to grow, how to say 'no' as well as 'yes' and how to express themselves and listen to what others have to say: in short how to behave in society.
What kind of lesson does beating them instil in them aside from the idea that violence solves everything (see your last point about calling in the Nigerian 'Riot' Police)
The next point is related: your idea that 'criminals are not punished enough'....clearly given the idea that you want to be able to beat your own children what you mean is you want to see something equally harsh and unpleasant happen to criminals too.
Criminals when caught ARE punished - firstly they are likely to have their liberty taken away which is the primary punishment that anyone can experience - simultaneously taking their criminal behaviour away from the general public.
Sometimes sentences entail a community service which means that people have to do some kind of unpaid work for the community - in essence to make up for the crime they have committed (which seems like an excellent idea to me). Sometimes this might also entail reparations - meeting with the victims of the crime to apologise and make amends. This has a two fold outcome: one that the victim themself has some kind of closure on a traumatic episode and is able to put a human face to their experience and that the defendant is able to put a human face to their victim, see the upset and hurt they have committed and the effect their crime has had on a human being.
All the research I've seen points to this being a very powerful tool for Justice.(This has been traditionally carried out in most societies around the world)
And lastly: re your comment about British Police:
When the British Police start acting even-handedly towards people and WITHIN the law then they will have the support of most people in the UK.
underlying causes....
http://www.blacknet.co.uk/UK/UK/inner-city-youth-violence-more-casualtie...
that is just the tip of the iceberg in underlying causes. we have been here before, every generation is raised on the usual police brutality and intimidation. anger and fear is rife. coupled with unemployment, cuts, and you get riots. are we really that surprised?
its shame the violence has escalated to this because it detracts from the real issue. and it is giving the media a chance to call us agressive on the front page which is unacceptable.
Eye for an eye
Excuse me if I'm a bit confused but if you throw a stone at someone even if they are a police officer(not that that makes it OK) then that is assault and if you get hit with a baton then maybe you should have thought before throwing the stone.
THE YOUTH IN THIS COUNTRY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THE WRONGED PARTY BUT THAT GIVES THEM NO RIGHT TO ASSAULT AND INTIMIDATE ORDINARY WORK A DAY PEOPLE WHO PAY TAXES WHICH ARE THEN WASTED CLEANING UP AFTER THEIR FERAL ACTIVITIES
CHIP THEM OR SEND THEM TO A BOOT CAMP BIT THIS HAS TO STOP. ALSO ANY PARENT WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHERE THEIR CHILD IS DURING THIS UNREST NEEDS TO CHECK WHETHER THEY ARE FIT TO BE PARENTS. MY CHILDREN+GRANDCHILDREN ARE WHERE THEY SHOULD BE----AT HOME.
WHERE ARE YOUR CHILDREN TONIGHT????????
I totally agree with this
I totally agree with this writer,it's all about responsible parenting. So many 'Baby mothers' are babies themselves and have little knowledge how to raise little baby Shauquille to respect the people around him, however,they will teach little shauquille to know the different between NIKE and Gucci.
Shocking that a youngster
Shocking that a youngster would throw a stone at police officers -- what kind of low standards, debased morality would justify retaliating against that? Seriously, throw a stone at police, expect to be punished. Simple. No excuses.
Your poll doesn't indicate
Your poll doesn't indicate the extent to which Voice readers agreed with your headline above. You didn't see anyone from Buckhamingham Palace or Chelsea looting, only from deprived areas. As, a black newspaper I would think that would have been an intuitive conclusion to draw. Of course, a bandwagon effect played a part in the riots but to say there are no underlying causes is ridiculous.
And, stop recyling lines I've read similiar sentences in several of your articles. Lol is it for SEO purposes?
Agreed
Agreed
Riots
Of course there are underlying causes, but common sense should rule over senseless behavior. Because you are poor or underprivileged, does this mean you should let your children roam the streets, riot, steal, and boast about it on camera? Is there no shame among the parents? Or don't these children have parents? Are there no churchgoers living in London? Has faith and prayer gone out of the window in these times of need? And before anyone asks 'what has the church ever done for us', turn the question back on yourselves. What have you done for yourselves or others, or are you still sitting on your laurels waiting for government help? How many displaced people have you opened your doors to? How many groups have you helped to form and cook at the weekend for people who are hungry or homeless. Many hands make light work and my advice is "BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE".
Times are hard I agree, but much more can be achieved if people form groups and work with each other instead of seeking to be better than each other.
There are still many opportunities in London, but from the news I'm getting, many of the young have become accustomed to having there own way and therefore have chosen the wrong path, or want to take the easy-get rich quick path and that shows in them carrying 'Pioneer' equipment out of stores. I haven't seen many people robbing Tesco's of food products. There is a saying that 'if you live by the sword, you die by the sword'. I would say Mark Duggan was an intelligent young man by the sounds of it, but seems to have chosen to carry an banned weapon, to be involved in drugs, and to run with gangs. Why? Does this go back to his parenting? Does his parents skills of teaching him the right way go back to the area from which they came in their home country? Is poverty really the route cause? Or is it bad discipline, greed and envy?
Be careful when giving a child 'the best of everything' and making sure they 'want for nothing', because in the quest to give a child everything you never had, you quite often teach him/her that he is better than someone else or is 'entitled' to things which he/she has not worked for.