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Ed Milliband: Starkey comments were racist

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LABOUR LEADER Ed Milliband has labeled David Starkey’s controversial comments on black culture as both “racist” and "absolutely disgusting."

Milliband’s comments come after it was reported that the BBC received over 700 complaints about the historians "whites have become black" remark during a discussion about last week's riots on Newsnight (Aug 14).

In the now notorious debate Starkey said he had been re-reading racist MP Enough Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech.


OFFENSIVE: David Starkey

He said: “The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic, gangster culture has become the fashion.”

“And black and white, boy and girl, operate in this language together, this language which is wholly false, which is this Jamaican patois that’s been intruded in England, and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country,” he said.

Miliband hit back saying: "It was an absolutely disgusting and outrageous comment. It's outrageous that someone in the 21st century would be making that sort of comment and there should be condemnation from every politician, every political party.

"[They were] racist comments, frankly, and there is no place for them in our society," he added.

The BBC told The Guardian that while they “acknowledged” that some people may have found Starkey's comments offensive: "He was robustly challenged by presenter Emily Maitlis and the other contributors who took issue with his comments."

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i find his comments very

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i find his comments very upsetting . like some one said, the population of blacks in england is way low so whats his problem... his behaviour seems like that of an old age and it just shows how racist he is and now wants to express his feelings in the name of riots. frankly the reality is that blacks,white,greens orenges what ever , they wer all there rioting so he needs to deal with it and think of somthing positive to do to fix the heart broken youths instead of pointing fingers at black people.

Sat, 2011-08-20 16:36

OF COURSE, as a WHITE, 40

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OF COURSE, as a WHITE, 40 something old young man, Ed is eminently qualified to know about racism! LOL!! Some of the most racist people I've known are Jewish!

Wed, 2011-08-17 16:29

This is the absolute and

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This is the absolute and solemn truth-well said. We blacks are so, so foolish forgetting our history: slavery read the Voice slave expose: the Barclays, LIoyds, Sainsburys’s Tesco/Cohen etc,

Wed, 2011-08-17 18:24

I was referring to Jews who

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I was referring to Jews who you have to work or associate with on a daily basis and wasn't thinking of big business. Maybe they were just being very astute businessmen! My question is: "Why didn't we do likewise"? Answer probably is that 'far too many' of us were probably too busy playing reggie n rioting thus, is it any wonder we've ended up where we are?!!

Thu, 2011-08-18 07:08

Go read the daily mail or the

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Go read the daily mail or the sun. Youll see actual pictures and videos of the rioters. Do you see what colour they mostly are? Who slew dem man in croydon and de old man in ealing? Who carries de gun my bredren. Who iz de shottas but dem black youth.

Wed, 2011-08-17 12:09

Root causes need to be explore

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The rioters have been Black,White and Asian. His remarks are likely to help increase racist ideology of Black people. Instead of the Black vs White argument, we should be looking at the root causes and how to prevent incidences like these happening in the future.

Wed, 2011-08-17 19:34

Please sign this petition to

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Please sign this petition to demand an apology from David starkey and the BBC for racist comments made on newsnight.
Please scroll down to where it says "sign petition" many people have clicked the facebook "like" button instead and that doesnt do anything. Thanks for your time.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/public-apology-from-david-starkey-an...

Wed, 2011-08-17 14:16

politicians play the race

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politicians play the race card but starky was right

Wed, 2011-08-17 10:31

Pot calling the Kettle black

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Some of the Greek islands – I’m thinking in particular of Zakinthos, but there are certainly others – are seriously plagued during the summer months by hordes of drunken and violent British youths, about 90 percent of them white. They drink themselves insensate, fornicate publicly in the streets, fight each other and sometimes assault passers-by, scream foul language at everyone in sight, and vomit and defecate everywhere. This type of behaviour doesn’t seem to have been copied from black culture – not so far as one can see, anyway – and it’s not an expression of poverty, judging by the number of vodka bottles that are downed every night.

Like it or loathe it (and I personally loathe it), and admit it or not, what I’m referring to is part and parcel of contemporary British culture – in fact in some parts of the continent, this is what Britain is best known for these days. It’s a part of British culture that in my opinion owes nothing to the blacks, and its existence seems to me to suggest something much deeper than the allegedly sinister effects of “multiculturism”. Perhaps it would be better to do something about it, before the blacks start learning from the young white English visitors who every summer are doing their best to make life hell for everyone in the more popular of the holiday resorts of the Mediterranean.

Wed, 2011-08-17 09:42

Letter to David Starkey

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You need to apologise that's if you have a conscience. You were war mongering and you should know better. Racism has affected the life of every black person that lives in this country in absolutely every way. This is the racism that you defend and promote. The bible tells you to take the plank out of your own eye before you take the speck out of others. If your took that plank out of yours you would see the truth. This British society does nothing to stop the violence on TV. It glorifies gangster films like Lock stock and barrel. It has given up on trying to rid our televising of horror films depicting scenes of violence of the sickest kind. This is normal to white culture, If I may use your way of thinking. Pornography is allowed to sit there on the shelf of the local news agents where our children go to buy sweets. You don't care. I or you may not like raps song which are glorify violence but you were deliberately racist and deliberately blinkered to the culture of your white society for it's fetish for this kind of music, for the mafia gangsta films for violent action movies. This country history is one that went to rape and pillage Africa and Africans. It took generation to try and pick up the pieces of those atrocities for us Africans you called niggers negroes and now black. Black people today after generations of racism in their family's still face it today, sometimes it's quite sophisticated, some times it totally blatant but it retarted and damaging. No black person has been left unaffected. You are completely insensitive to that. This country's history destroyed any hope of Africans speaking their own language in Jamaica. If some British people know a few words in Jamaican you need to just get over it don't you? Just like we did.

Jamaicans have come along way from colonial days. African Jamaicans have come a long long way despite having a staring point in life from a completely utterly broken and destroyed family thanks to your England. It was racists like you that said we were ugly. You people told us we stupid. Now you can see us present in every field from professors, to doctors, solicitors, politcians to supermodels. We are extremely tenacious. Oh yeah... We will not tolerate your racist ideas. The text you read out and attributed to Jamaican patios bears no resemblance to Jamaican patois and you need to apologise for that. You are so in denial and far removed from reality that you can't even realise that INNIT is from your own British cockney slang. People love the few Jamaica words they learnt. It's cool and they love the reggae music that came with it. Just get over it. We still have a long way to go, and it's the racist mentality like yours that wants to scape goat us Jamaicans for your problems today and still hold us back. Just who the hell are your trying to kid? The typical British white male has a reputation in the rest of Europe for being a complete and utter thug. Look on any holiday review and listen to what they are saying about this white British male you are so deulded about. French, Spanish, Germans, Greeks are all sick of the British man totally thuggish drunken behaviour. You want the black man to take them blame for your white boy's behaviour. Your racism is pure evil.

Despite the horrid history so many thousand of whites and blacks have tried to get along. Incredibly it's been a great success, England has the highest mixed race population in Europe thanks to Jamaicans. The fact that we are desirable by white British people is still very hard to digest for the racist. Just get over it. Despite all odds people began to give up on this notion of separateness that destroys and eats away at humanity. Men and women don't even care about the colour of their partner because of course at the end of the day it just does simply not matter! But here you are warmongering. You need to apologise, but not just to black people and black people of Jamaican origin but to everyone that was deeply hurt and effected by what you said and did. You are old now and out of touch but a lot people just want to get on with each other. A lot of young people don't see and understand colour the way you do. Do you remember when Mrs Walker a black woman who had a son that was murdered by being axed in the head? She told the media that she did not wish revenge she just hope God would forgive the white racist boy that did it. She wasn't being sarcastic. She was sincere. She didn't go on TV and say this is because of white culture and all the thugs and hooligans that watch films like Sopranos and God father and lock stock and Barrel. She cared about this society she had strong morals and values. The racism she faced was of the worst kind. I personally am sick of the racism I've had to face in my life but so far no one has axed me or my children in the head. I would like to keep it that way. I try to keep in mind it is from a minority of ignorant haters like you. But your actions have shown me that a lot of people think just like you about people just like me. Two wrongs don't make a right and you need to know that. If you have a conscience I suggest you apologise to everyone and do it quickly.

Wed, 2011-08-17 09:41

What's new? The worse kind of

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Anonymous

What's new?

The worse kind of racist is not the one who spurts offensive words to your face but the one to watch is he who condemns the 'racist' YET works collectively to put policies in place, through various public institutions and media, to ensure that this practice continues.

I am sure BME people in the professions and higher education come up against more racism than the BME man in the street.

Destroy ones education, you destroy their future, family and community.

Same cycle, no difference.

Wed, 2011-08-17 09:23

BBC talking nonsense

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The BBC is talking out of it's ass if it really believes he was challenged by Emily, she was utterly useless and completely out of her depth.

Tue, 2011-08-16 23:43

Letter to David Starkey

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You need to apologise that's if you have a conscience. You were war mongering and you should know better. Racism has affected the life of every black person that lives in this country in absolutely every way. This is the racism that you defend and promote. The bible tells you to take the plank out of your own eye before you take the speck out of others. If your took that plank out of yours you would see the truth. This British society does nothing to stop the violence on TV. It glorifies gangster films like Lock stock and barrel. It has given up on trying to rid our televising of horror films depicting scenes of violence of the sickest kind. This is normal to white culture, If I may use your way of thinking. Pornography is allowed to sit there on the shelf of the local news agents where our children go to buy sweets. You don't care. I or you may not like raps song which are glorify violence but you were deliberately racist and deliberately blinkered to the culture of your white society for it's fetish for this kind of music, for the mafia gangsta films for violent action movies. This country history is one that went to rape and pillage Africa and Africans. It took generation to try and pick up the pieces of those atrocities for us Africans you called niggers negroes and now black. Black people today after generations of racism in their family's still face it today, sometimes it's quite sophisticated, some times it totally blatant but it retarted and damaging. No black person has been left unaffected. You are completely insensitive to that. This country's history destroyed any hope of Africans speaking their own language in Jamaica. If some British people know a few words in Jamaican you need to just get over it don't you? Just like we did.

Jamaicans have come along way from colonial days. African Jamaicans have come a long long way despite having a staring point in life from a completely utterly broken and destroyed family thanks to your England. It was racists like you that said we were ugly. You people told us we stupid. Now you can see us present in every field from professors, to doctors, solicitors, politcians to supermodels. We are extremely tenacious. Oh yeah... We will not tolerate your racist ideas. The text you read out and attributed to Jamaican patios bears no resemblance to Jamaican patois and you need to apologise for that. You are so in denial and far removed from reality that you can't even realise that INNIT is from your own British cockney slang. People love the few Jamaica words they learnt. It's cool and they love the reggae music that came with it. Just get over it. We still have a long way to go, and it's the racist mentality like yours that wants to scape goat us Jamaicans for your problems today and still hold us back. Just who the hell are your trying to kid? The typical British white male has a reputation in the rest of Europe for being a complete and utter thug. Look on any holiday review and listen to what they are saying about this white British male you are so deulded about. French, Spanish, Germans, Greeks are all sick of the British man totally thuggish drunken behaviour. You want the black man to take them blame for your white boy's behaviour. Your racism is pure evil.

Despite the horrid history so many thousand of whites and blacks have tried to get along. Incredibly it's been a great success, England has the highest mixed race population in Europe thanks to Jamaicans. The fact that we are desirable by white British people is still very hard to digest for the racist. Just get over it. Despite all odds people began to give up on this notion of separateness that destroys and eats away at humanity. Men and women don't even care about the colour of their partner because of course at the end of the day it just does simply not matter! But here you are warmongering. You need to apologise, but not just to black people and black people of Jamaican origin but to everyone that was deeply hurt and effected by what you said and did. You are old now and out of touch but a lot people just want to get on with each other. A lot of young people don't see and understand colour the way you do. Do you remember when Mrs Walker a black woman had a son that was murdered by being axed in the head told the media that she did not wish revenge she just hope God would forgive the white racist boy that did it. She wasn't being sarcastic. She was sincere. She didn't go on TV and say this is because of white culture and all the thugs and hooligans that watch films like Sopranos and God father and lock stock and Barrel. She cared about this society she had strong morals and values. The racism she faced was of the worst kind. I personally am sick of the racism I've had to face in my life but so far no one has axed me or my children in the head. I would like to keep it that way. I try to keep in mind it is from a minority of ignorant haters like you. But your actions have shown me that a lot of people think just like you about people just like me. Two wrongs don't make a right and you need to know that. If you have a conscience I suggest you apologise to everyone and do it quickly.

Tue, 2011-08-16 23:35

Milliband wants your vote. In

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Anonymous

Milliband wants your vote. In reality Milliband Cameron and all the rest are from the same background and probably good friends down the pub. Like Obama and George bush.Theyre all the same and all playing the lying game to feather their nests.

Tue, 2011-08-16 20:59

An uncomfortable truth

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Blacks constitute only 3% or so of England's population but their representation amongst the rioters was 20x that of their % of the population. It's not brain surgery but it is an uncomfortable truth that apparently hurts deeply when alluded to. If we are to be truthful about racism--and we should--we need to be truthful about this as well.

Tue, 2011-08-16 20:11

The kind of "black" style

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The kind of "black" style Starkey was refering to is more of a youth sub-culture - not really a culture at all. Branding all black people with that style that is not on. This comes across to me as wilful ignorance on Starkey's part. He otherwise seems an intelligent man and could do a lot better, I'm dissapointed.

Ed Milliband's reaction to what Starkey said as "racist" and "absolutely disgusting" comes across as finger pointing and political point scoring to me.

The point is that Starkey, whatever and however racist his opinions, was mistaken, not that all politicians must now follow Ed's example thereby proving his credentials as a sensitive and leading example. That's just political point scoring.

Tue, 2011-08-16 20:10

London Riot 2011

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The looting that took place during London Riot happened beacuse looters thought they could get away with it. Once the shutters and doors were broken down or destroyed those who were their thought it free for all.
My advise to young people or people who are young at heart is that never follow a crowd to commit evil(robbery, violence, arson, rape etc)

When a group of people are doing anything purse and think and ask yourself are they doing the right thing if not do not join them; just walk away.

Efoe Lokosu-Livingstone
South Woodham Ferrers
Essex

efoe39@aol.com

Tue, 2011-08-16 19:10

David Starkey

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i am no particular fan of david starky or enough powell how ever i think its time that the politicians stopped running for cover every time race is mentioned,grow up and face the facts.it is a hugely complex issue but if evidentual statistics show that a particular ethnic group is significantly involved in a particular type of crime then it is esential that this be made a matter of public record so that it can be discussed in an adult way. too many criminals use this as a screen to hide behind or even as a defence for there actions.weather my views are correct or not we must be able to discuss the issue in public without the fear of being branded racist.

Tue, 2011-08-16 18:08

David Starkey

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Now that a politician has spoken up about David Starkey let's see what all the other politicians have to say about the subject now. Enoch Powell was one of the 1st politicians to send for the carribeans to come here after world war 2 to help England rebiuld after his friend Hitler nearly destroyed this country. Enoch Powell was a Fascist, & David Starkey's quoting him?
Ed Milliband is right, this is the 21st Century. No place for them kind of comments in this society.
If the riots were because of a football match & blacks were involved, would the blacks be then acting white? I saw every colour & culture taking part in them riots, the man's inciting racial hate when what he should be looking at is how consumerism is aimed at the young in this country. Children are to ask for things parents are to buy them what they want (Hence, The Consumer Society) at the same time parental rights to discipline their child have been stripped away & replaced with A.S.B.O.s... Doesn't that mean the authorities have become the parents? Well authorities, look how your children turned out!!!

Tue, 2011-08-16 18:07

I see you Starkey for what you are

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We long know dat fe dem history only tell fe dem story. So what John Starkey says keeps him in the grand delusion that everything about Britain and its culture is GREAT. So as we would sey, we see wid him, really, what else can you do about a man that comes out with such DIRE TRIPE. Here they are flossing our Jamaicans Athletes practically as British as their Olympics draws ever closer as they look to us to say their economic bacon AGAIN! and this man would chat such rubbish. But to a degree are we to blame? you see how much power dem believe we have?, and it is true, we have it, we just don't endorse it in the right way.

So let's answer his call, and who knows next time you sit to hear de Queens Speech on Christmas day, he may really have to accept dat whether him like it or not "We Set De Trend" a no fe we fault everybody want to be like we. So hold up unu head!!!! BLESS UP ALL JAMAICANS we BIG BOUT YA!!!!!!. Put a way the idiot behaviour and let’s fix up and take control of de power we have.

Tue, 2011-08-16 18:03

I see you Starkey for what you are

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We long know dat fe dem history only tell fe dem story. So what John Starkey says keeps him in the grand delusion that everything about Britain and its culture is GREAT. So as we would sey, we see wid him, really, what else can you do about a man that comes out with such DIRE TRIPE. Here they are flossing our Jamaicans Athletes practically as British as their Olympics draws ever closer as they look to us to say their economic bacon AGAIN! and this man would chat such rubbish. But to a degree are we to blame? you see how much power dem believe we have?, and it is true, we have it, we just don't endorse it in the right way.

So let's answer his call, and who knows next time you sit to hear de Queens Speech on Christmas day, he may really have to accept dat whether him like it or not "We Set De Trend" a no fe we fault everybody want to be like we. So hold up unu head!!!! BLESS UP ALL JAMAICANS we BIG BOUT YA!!!!!!. Put a way the idiot behaviour and let’s fix up and take control of de power we have.

Tue, 2011-08-16 18:03