GETTY SHIRTY: Luis Suarez and team mates in the controversial t-shirts they wore in response to his eight-match ban
AFTER THE release of the 115-page document covering every inch of the Independent Commission's investigation, Liverpool Football Club have decided to accept Luiz Suarez' eight-game ban which commenced on Tuesday night.
However, they still allude to the fact that Suarez was being treated unfairly by the FA, prior to the hearing. If this were true, why did they not use their veto to remove any panel member they didn't feel comfortable with? Also, it is not the FA's fault that Suarez' evidence was deemed inconsistent.
Yesterday's statement from both the club and the player, has shown that they are still not willing to take any responsibility; from the initial event to the ensuing furore. If Liverpool want to continue to spout off about cultural differences then surely they should be getting their player(s) involved with one of the many important football campaigns such as Kick It Out and Show Racism the Red Card. They need to ensure that the player has a better understanding of why he was punished and the differences between what is acceptable.
I understand there are variations in each language, but having lived in Spain, I can honestly say that no one ever called me a 'negro' in a friendly or playful manner. The only time I heard it, it was said in an aggressive and deliberately offensive manner to myself or other members of my family.
Now while I never found this acceptable, I understood I was in a different country and that things, particularly language, are extremely different. Should the individual alter to the country they reside in, or should it be the other way around?
And for me, this is the point that Liverpool FC are missing. While they are blaming everyone else, maybe they are ignoring the fact that they should have been the ones to educate their player regarding these so called cultural differences, and then this unfortunate incident may never have happened in the first place.
Your Voice
CommentsEach reply on this thread so
Each reply on this thread so far is transparently wrong for a number of reasons.
Redgie: of course the panel was never going to say that Suarez was a racist. That was never its job. Its job was to decide whether he used racial language in an offensive manner, which he clearly did, as he admitted in his evidence.
Poppajay: you have not read the full judgment, you cannot have done and responded like that. If you had you would understand the differences between criminal and civil courts and this case was tried on the balance of probabilities and not on the criminal standard.
Experts in Uruguayan language testified that the word could be offensive OR not offensive depending on the context.
Suarez's explanation - that he used the word in a conciliatory manner, is simply not credible given the circumstances in which it was used - circumstances which were admitted by Suarez and Liverpool.
Fergpgsly: You are mistaken to talk about hearsay and evidence in the way you do - you have misunderstood how the panel used the evidence.
What is important is that the evidence is not at issue over the fact the word 'negro' was used once, Suarez admitted it. And his explanation that his usage was not racist does not stand up to legal, moral or any other scrutiny.
Also check your facts - Evra never made the racism allegation at Chelsea, that is an error.
Mike Arms: You are suggesting that all the material is not in the public domain, would you care to tell us which documents and evidence you know about that are not in the public domain which should have changed the way this decision would have been made?
You know what though, if the governing body has an agenda to act against racism then that is all for the best in my view - as long as it is fair and unbiased and anyone who is impartial about this case will see that the panel's report is completely fair.
Ultimately Liverpool's whole hierachy from Kenny Dalglish, to Commoli, to Suarez himself and their advisers need to hang their heads in shame at what they have done to the cause of acting against racism in football and in general in this country. They should be ashamed and must take some responsibility for the vitriol spilling around the internet from Liverpool fans who cannot understand the situation.
Wheels are going to come off the Suarez Bandwagon
Nice to see another 'Voice' jumping onto the bandwagon. You state that "Liverpool have shown no humility, understanding or awareness". Do you have the humility to admit that you were not present at the hearing and therefore don't know how the hearing was conducted. Nor the understanding that Both the FA and Evra have stated that Suarez is NOT A RACIST awareness to know that at LFC we do not let our brothers especially the innocent WALK ALONE.
Suarez is innocent: Response to Natasha Henry
I myself am an ethnic immigrant born in England, albeit not black but neither white and have suffered racist abuse many times in y life here.
That said, after reading all opinions regarding the Suarez case, I am convinced that he is not guilty of racism.
If we believe Evra's accusations, then yes, it would seem that he has been racist but if we believe Suarez's testimony then no, he has not been racist.
There is in fact no evidence nor proof to Evra's assertions and I actually find Suarez's testimony far more 'probable' than Evra's.
We should remember that the FA panel are NOT a court of law and their decision does not constitute a legal judgement. In fact, if this case was tried by a criminal court, then Suarez would have been found innocent and cleared of all charges.
Finally, no one at Liverpool are defending racism but, being convinced of their man's innocence, ther are defending their man, which is quite natural. They argue that what he said simply was not racist, not that racism is okay. If they are convinced of his innocence then I find it admirable that they have stood by him and defended him in the face of relentless public and media accusations which have not been proven by any stretch of the immagination.
I understand that The Voice would have a say in this but it is not fair to label people on unsubstantiated allegations.
He admitted to saying, 'Why, black?' in the same way you might say 'Why, blondie?'. This is not racism but something cultural about where he's from and how people nickname and address one another. Also remeber that Uruguay and S.America is not Spain ans their customs are not the same so your experience in Spain is not relevant.
good points raised i agree
good points raised i agree with everything you say gary
suarez/evra
why are people swallowing everything evra has said as fact the panel
set up to deal with this case have done the same, they took everything
that evra said as fact, and said luis suarez was an unreliable
witness! so his evidence was not believed, who gives them the right
to say who is honest or dishonest? after all it should be dealt with
on evidence only not hearsay as has happened in this case, not one
person said they heard any racist remarks only evra, who has done
this before, at chelsea, i think this has opened the door for all
types of accusations to surface everytime rivals meet in high pressure
matches, this should not be getting the biased press coverage it is
getting, and if you are a white man in this situation you would hope
your club and manager would stand by you and not take the easy way out
and hang you out to dry, liverpool have been loyal to there player it
is not our fault the british aristocracy are ashamed of the history
they created by making themselves very rich on the back of black
slavery, this said it is wrong to give one colour man more rights
than another because of what our predecessors have done a long time
ago, now we are at the ridiculous stage were the bus comes with 4
seats on it and there are 7 people in the queue the 5th person is
black and can not get on the bus! as there are no seats is it ok for
him to shout out its because im black! there are two other people in
the queue behind the black man dont forget, what do we do? do we
throw somebody off the bus for the black man to get on? it seems this
is the way things are going not to be equal but to have even more
rights and protection than the rest, i am sad and disillusioned at the
treatment my club and manager have received for backing our player in
this dubious case, gary liverpool
Liverpool FC
Just to clarify, LFC and all it's players including Luis Suarez are involved in the numerous anti racism campaigns both in the UK and in their home countries.
Luis Suarez is from Uruguay not Spain, yes they speak a Spanish dialect but they have many cultural differences so your point about living in Spain is nonsense.
LFC are furious with the FA and it's panel for having an agenda to be seen to be acting on racism in football and devising the report to favour it's stance. A lot of material, evidence, statements, interviews etc where not published in the report as they contradicted the image the FA wanted to portray to the world. If the FA had published ALL it's findings and documented every interview and statement then a fairer more balanced report would have been published and left to the individual and media to make up it's own mind. But the FA did not want this they wanted a comprehensive "WE WILL NOT TOLERATE RACISM" message regardless if it was justifield or not.
Racist
That may be because you lived in Spain, whereas Luis Suarez is from Uruguay?!.....The irony's extraordinary.....*sigh*