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Should British citizens get jobs over foreign workers

DEBATE: Should priority be given to UK citizens when seeking work?

Two London 360 reporters go head to head in a debate about UK employment opportunities


NO!
SAI KUMAR

The UK’s economy is becoming increasingly more 'export driven'. By putting a cap on foreign workers entering the country, hard-hit Britain will be prolonging its recovery from the economic recession.

Britain should cast aside the notion of ‘UK jobs for UK people’ and think twice before jumping to the conclusion that jobs should primarily go to British citizens.

‘Immigration' should not be confused with 'migration' into the country. A lot of young, foreign graduates seek employment in the UK primarily to gain work experience, and do not always intend on seeking indefinite leave to remain.

Foreign workers have given a lot to the development of this nation. Let us consider the medical industry. The health sector has seen a large number of Commonwealth workers contribute to the system, which includes highly-trained doctors and nurses.

By stopping skilled workers from coming to work in Britain, we are shooting ourselves in the foot. Granting UK visas for foreign nationals has also boosted employment in the IT industry and created fresh jobs in return.

The UK has already introduced an annual permanent cap on the Tier 1 Highly Skilled Migrant Programme visa structure, which will result in fewer highly-skilled workers trying to enter the country.

Moreover, international students, after graduation, were previously able to apply for a post study work visa that enabled them to work in the UK for a period of two years. With this system being scrapped, it will not only de-motivate international students from applying to universities here in the UK. It will also affect the UK's education system, which is estimated to be a £40 billion-a-year industry.

These new policies will clearly have a negative affect on foreign student admissions. This adds fuel to the fire as the rise in tuition fees will hamper UK national students from entering higher education.

The UK should consider more lenient laws for foreign employment and perhaps amend current policies so that companies have a right to employ foreign workers if they feel they are the best-suited individual for the job.

As long as foreign workers pay their taxes and contribute to the economy, there is no valid argument for the restrictions on immigration. It is a case of hiring 'the best person for the job', not 'the most British person for the job'. And if the UK wants to continue regarding itself as a fair, multi-cultural society, then it should continue to accept foreign workers.

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YES!
ANNABELLE AFFUL

Immigration control should not be based on race, but on the statistics of migration levels and how it impacts on other elements within British society.

Since 2004 there has been an influx of migrants from Eastern European countries when they joined the EU.

During this period of time the amount of British-born people in employment has gone down by 334,000, while almost 1.3 million foreign-born individuals have found work in the UK. It is an outrage that the UK will not employ its own people, but rather, it seems to look after the needs of foreign workers first.

Since 2008 the British economy has been suffering. This has led to higher living costs with increased taxes and salaries being frozen. It does not make sense to allow more foreign workers into the country when there are not enough jobs around.

Britain needs to be looking after its own populace, not creating more competition for jobs that are already over-subscribed.

A ludicrous recent report claimed that Britons are ‘unmotivated, uneducated and lacking in skills’, and this is apparently the reason why businesses are hiring skilled migrants (on lower pay). But if Britons had a fairer chance of getting a job, then maybe they wouldn't feel so unmotivated.

The only thing this report has shown- is a lack of respect for its own citizens who are paying for the running of this country.

Current youth unemployment statistics speak for themselves. There are a massive number of young, British people who can’t find a job. This is a lost generation of youngsters who have been failed by the system and are competing not only against each other for jobs, but against non-Brits., This fact just adds further insult to injury.

With this dire situation and general unemployment being at its highest level in years, something must be done to give British people the first chance of an available job.

*THE 'HEAD TO HEAD''COLUMN IS BY THE LONDON 360 REPORTERS
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brits are lazy and tend not

JazzyD's picture
JazzyD

brits are lazy and tend not to want any of the menial jobs.
why do you think its the reason we only see ethnic minorities do this work?
vrits have wised up to the fact that their nanny state will pay them to sit at home all day and pretend to be looking for work.
one of my neighbours has 5 kids and tells me straight that the benefits she gets paid are more than her getting a full time job -so who is the crimanl? i say the politicians
change the system!!!!

Tue, 2012-05-15 13:23

This kind of question can be

PurpleHope's picture
PurpleHope

This kind of question can be put in every each country in this world. Should we hire foreign workers over our own ones? It's pretty difficult - because in the end they are all humans and they all must be treated equally. The problem stand in the moment when you are subjective and you surely think only about your own people. I would recommend peo services because they could solve the problem without any problems and without discriminating!

Sun, 2012-01-15 15:03

Complaints about migrants

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Mr Ron

Complaints about migrants taking more than they contribute are unfounded nonsense.

The reason for this misconception is that local councils have argued, often through the media, for more funding as their local populations increase, in order to provide facilities and resources to meet growing numbers.

Outwardly this seems to support the case that immigrants are taking more than they give. However, if you look at the details of the councils' arguments they believe they are entitled to more funding as they now have more residents contributing to the national wealth via their taxes.

What has been happening is, if eg. the population increases by 10% due to immigration and that 10% are paying taxes which the majority will be. That area deserves a 10% increase in its funding. Instead the treasury is giving those boroughs very little in return by way of increased funding. So of course those areas struggle to meet the needs of the growing population. Reading in Berkshire is a good example of this.

The taxes paid by immigrants fund things ranging from the police and healthcare to maintenance of village halls where no immigrants live. And even when they work but pay no tax, they increase the productivity of companies based in Britain who then pay tax on their profits.

I do however believe that immigrants should not be used as a form of cheap labour, consequently undercutting British workers out of the market. But to remedy this companies in Britain need to pay a decent wage to people, enough money to allow a person to support a family and live in decent housing. This means supporting the unions fight for fare pay and decent working conditions, something many people here seem reluctant to do for reasons which are beyond me.

Until employers are pressured to pay wages that allow people to live with dignity, as opposed to crammed three to a room working 11 hours a day. Migrant workers will remain a reality.

I have great respect for migrant workers and equal sympathy and understanding for British born workers. But the argument is not between these two groups but between them and the wealthy owners of businesses excessively lining their pockets with the money due to their employees.

Tue, 2011-11-29 16:18

j1 visa workers

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jessyjen

After graduation, international students were able to apply for a post study work visa that enabled them to work in the UK for a period of two years.

j1 visa workers

Mon, 2011-10-31 09:11

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Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

Ab fab my godoly man.

Tue, 2011-08-16 10:49

dshErHtAHHHLK

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

I had no idea how to approach this before-now I'm loeckd and loaded.

Tue, 2011-08-16 09:16

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Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

With the bases loaded you surtck us out with that answer!

Tue, 2011-08-16 04:10

@Arica is not in the European

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

@Arica is not in the European union,Poland is.

Fri, 2011-08-05 21:29

@Holy,I think you are taking

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

@Holy,I think you are taking pc too far,its ridiculous.
The writer called polish people immigrants???polish people have been europeans for thousands of years.uk is a european nation,so to see a second generation descendant of recent immigrants complaining about indigenes is just absurd.
Nationality and race? The polish is a european national,lets face cold hard facts,polish are white and the writer is black,that is descendants of Africans,like it or not something is not right about a black british national complaning about polish people.
DO you know how many polish people diedin the two world wars for the liberation of europe??.
I am black by the way,i just happen to see clearly.

Wed, 2011-08-03 15:55

I sympathise with the point

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

I sympathise with the point ur making and am probably as familiar with the contributon of the Poles during the World War as u are but, wonder just how clearly you DO see. Many blacks also fought and died during WW2. Doesn't mean if thier descendants went to work in Poland that they wouldn't b considered immigrants! Also, Poland isn't part of the UK, just as France isn't!

Fri, 2011-08-05 06:07

youre right, poles are ethnic

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Anonymous

youre right, poles are ethnic europeans. They have strong cultural values and know what a proper european society looks like.

The reality is that the descendents of africans have enjoyed more prosperity living amongst white people. They know nothing else. Even having anglo saxon names. If it was so bad then africa awaits and Marcus Garvey would be proud of you to return to mother africa.

Wed, 2011-08-03 18:41

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Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

With the bases ldoaed you struck us out with that answer!

Tue, 2011-08-16 02:08

You're right, but then I'm no

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

You're right, but then I'm no fan of Marcus Garvey!

Fri, 2011-08-05 19:09

Marcus Garvey wanted to

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

Marcus Garvey wanted to repatriate the slave diaspora back to africa. I saw a documentary where some african americans actually decided to go and live in africa to their supposed origins. It was funny because they were referred to by the local africans as "whites". They were clearly different and alien there.

Sat, 2011-08-06 22:27

LOL! And it serves them

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

LOL! And it serves them right! Many black people just can't accept reality, until it hits them in the face!

Mon, 2011-08-08 05:16

Eastern europeans are great.

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

Eastern europeans are great. Theyre strong white people who have pride in themselves. They fit in with the UK culture well and create no problems.

It also means that we can go to poland to escape this hell hole. I only hope Russia joins the EU one day.

Wed, 2011-08-03 14:13

By implication, can u think

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

By implication, can u think of ANY people who 'don't fit in and make problems'!

Wed, 2011-08-03 21:46

Race vs Nationality

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

It is fascinating to me how people often cross-over issues of race and nationality as if they are the same thing:

The anonymous commenter left saying they found a "black person" complaining about "white" immigrants seems to have missed the point by a mile...

There are black AND white (AND Asian, AND mixed race, etc.) people living in Britain who are British Citizens, not immigrants and entitled to their opinion!

JUST AS there are immigrants who may be black or white or any other nationality!

Lets not get a debate about immigration mixed up with race please!

Holly Powell-Jones
News Reporter
London 360

P.S. If you have a strong opinion on the subject (strong enough to post a comment), then it might be an idea to leave a name so that we can continue this lively debate further! :)

Wed, 2011-08-03 12:48

Immigration is needed, as the

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

Immigration is needed, as the British white birth rate is continually shrinking. Added to this is a large growing elderly population who need caring for.
In fact this is occuring all over Europe, and immigration is needed to sustain the economies, and care for the elderly.

Tue, 2011-08-02 20:47

Immigration is destroying the

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

Immigration is destroying the culture of indigenous peoples. Its not the solution to any problem. it creates problems.

Thu, 2011-08-04 14:47

'Clearly', you're 'better

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

'Clearly', you're 'better informed' than the Home Secretary! LOL! - please!!

Wed, 2011-08-03 21:40

lets hope its immigration

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

lets hope its immigration from eastern europe then.

Wed, 2011-08-03 19:33

Interesting discussion. I

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

Interesting discussion. I live in East London and find many people of African origin sharing Ms. Afful's opinion. One problem I do encounter is that although British people are openminded and tolerant many immigrants are from closed societies and have very conservative views. I don't believe the government has taken this into consideration and could be a source of conflict in years to come. As for allowing people in just to have cheap labour as Mr. Kumar does is pure idealistic and rather blindsighted. When people are coming into the country, as a few Polish people did recently, with criminal records but were undetected because they are EAA is a threat to national security. I give the existance of the EU 10 years at most if it continues down this road.

Tue, 2011-08-02 02:41

Couldn't give a toss if they

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

Couldn't give a toss if they are foreign or British - can they do the job properly and are they prepared to work? Unfortunately the British have a benefit system where it's ok to sit on your arse all day pop out kids like peas and get paid and it's not worth getting up to do a hard day's graft like the rest of us and these aren't immigrants it's the British born and I've known it to be 2nd and 3rd generation who've never had a job in their lives and have no intention to but they are the first to complain!

Don't blame the immigrants coming in for taking British jobs - we just do the jobs that you can't be bothered to do and 9 times out of 10 are better at it!

Mon, 2011-08-01 20:23

foreign workers

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

As a former "foreign worker" who is now a citizen, I say the best candidate should get the jobs. End of.

Mon, 2011-08-01 17:11

@to see a black person

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

@to see a black person complaining about immigrants from eastern europe(white)beggars belief.
it shows how twisted peopleare in the uk .sad.

Mon, 2011-08-01 16:58

I'm sure you'd love to see

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

I'm sure you'd love to see immigrants from a foreign country flooding into your own country and taking your own people's jobs! Get real me bro!

Tue, 2011-08-02 04:27

bruv the UK is now swamped by

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous

bruv the UK is now swamped by immigrants. I feel there will be major problems in the future. Whats works is the coloured immigrants are all living in small geographic areas like brent. Th emultikulti thing aint workin bruvv.

Wed, 2011-08-03 23:10