so when other races kill and rob each other its just crime ,,when a black does it a special police task force has too get wheeled out too investigate ...the black community should be up in arms about the fact that there crimes are classed diffrently but kno all the uncle toms pop up ....look how the media loves the italian mafia ,,how many film books and documentarys every year gets made on this subject ,,we didnt make it but look how the blacks get chastised for participation..
last time i checked hecklor and khock were'nt a bunch of blacks from brixton...and i havent seen the story of the youth from harlesdon flying in heroin in his private jets ,,am still lookin tho ...... be wise ....

Go do a research. If gun dealership stop, crime will stop, if coke premises are shut down by authorities, crime will end. If crime end the police and soldiers will be out of a job, including most nurses and doctors who work in ER. CRIME PAYS!!! Im not joking im serious, we're all been conned!!!

Im just a stupid black 18 year old girl and it does not take much common sense to know how government run this thing.

Anyways someone will have to bear the blaim and life goes on as usual. All these coke houses and gun shops are run by white mafias, of which the police nor soldiers would never dare touch!!
so what they do now is go after little silly gang who is just foot soldiers, and make lots of noise about it, so everyone will believe that they are actually fighting crime!

This world is run by mobs, mafias, and police. remember news of the world the police already knew about their hacking and misconduct but turned a blind eye? everybody gets a cut, everybody keep their jobs, life and business as usual.

Welcome to planet earth, some will have to face the music while some will get a nod.

The uk's biggest gun dealership gun making shops, sold to criminals and authorities are in these areas, Aberdeenshire/Grampian | Angus/Tayside | Ayrshire/Strathclyde | Berwickshire/Borders | Caithness/Highlands | Dumfriesshire | Fife | Inverness-shire/Highlands | Lanarkshire/Strathclyde | Midlothian | Morayshire/Grampian | Perthshire/Tayside | Ross-shire/Highlands | Roxburghshire/Borders | Stirlingshire/Central | Sutherland/Highlands | Wigtownshire/Dumfries&Galloway

I have heard of police justifiably shooting a suspect and in this case it was originally disclosed by the police that Mark Duggan shot at them striking a radio of an officer and as a result they shot back at Duggan and he was subsequently killed.

The police have since retracted their story according to the media and the gun that Duggan allegedly used to shoot at police was found in a sock near his body. So it turns out this was NOT justifiable shooting and worst a police officer or officers LIED about the events of their encounter with Duggan. This officer committed perjury for which he should be charged in an effort to reduce the likelihood he or other officer see it fit to falsely attempt another justifiable shooting. The killing of a person by police or thugs should always be investigated and charged assigned where warranted. When youths see police lie and cover their tracks to get away with committing a crime including perjury, why may be inclined to think why can't they.

this remember involves british police the public may never truly find out what happened.

I FIND THAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE SELF INDULGENT AND THEY HAVE NO CLUE. THERE HAS BEEN MARGINALISISATION OF MOSTLY CARRIBEAN YOUTHS IN THIS COUNTRY WHICH HAS LEAD TO A CULTURE OF DESPAIR SO NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT THEY THE BRITISH SYSTEM HAS LET THE BLACK COMMUNITY DOWN IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE. YOU CAN TRY AND CRITICISE THE YOUTHS ABOUT STABBING AND SO ON THEY LIVE TOGETHER ALL THEY SEE IS EACH OTHER SO THEY FIGHT EACH OTHER THEY BECOME PROTECTIVE OVER ARES WHICH LEADS TO OTHER THINGS;WHERE ARE YOUR SUGGESTIONS TO CHANGE THE PATTERN OF BEHAVIOURS? . YOU WANT TO SOUND WHITE AND INTELLIGENT YET YOU HAVE NO ANSWERS TO THE PROBLEMS OF RACISISM. WHAT WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN? DONT YOU SEE THE NATO FORCES KILLING AFRICANS DAILY OR ARE YOU AS STUPID TO THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT LANGUAGE SOME PEOPLE SPEAK. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE BIBLE YOU READ WAS TRANSLATED MANY TIMES OVER AND THAT MANY PROPRHTS WERE LEFT OUT OF THE ORIGINAL TEXT ? DID YOU KNOW THAT THE BIBLE WAS USED AS A TOOL TO ENSLAVE AFRICANS TO MAKE THE WHITES YOUR SUPERIORS AND YOUR GOD" DID YOU KNOW THAT? THOSE WHO HAVE SO MUCH CRITIQUE WHY DONT YOU COME WITH SOLUTIONS THAT WILL HELP YOUR RACE WHO YOU FEEL IS INFERIOR TO YOU ? WHY DONT YOU SPEAK TO YOUR WISE WHITE LEADERS WHO ILLEGALY MURDER WOMEN AND CHILDREN DAILY THEY HAVE A BLOOD LUST ON A DAILY PLANNER YET YOU ARE SILENT DOES NOT YOUR AFRICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS COUNT TOO? BEFORE YOU BECOME JUDGEMENTAL THE GOVERNMENT LOOTS MORE FROM YOUR POCKETS DAILY THEY COMMIT FRAUD AND MURDER YET YOU WANT TO JUSTIFY THEIR BEHAVIOUR WHEN YOU BECOME A JUDGE THE JUDGEMENT OF ALL WHO ARE WRONG IS HOW YOU JUDGE . THE PARLIAMENT STEALS MONEY AND THEY APOLOGISE THE POLICE MURDER BLACKMAN WITH IMPUNITY AND YOU JUSTIFY IT AS CRIMINALS YET THEY MURDER WHICH IS A CRIMNAL ACT IT IS AN OFFENCE THAT SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY GUISE OR FORM FROM WHO EVER SO WHERE IS THE IMPARTIALITY? YOU JUSTIFY WHITE POLICE KILLING OF BLACK MAN WHETEHR ITS LEGAL OR NOT THE CONNOTATION OF ASSOCIATION OF GANGS MAKES IT OK? SO WHAT ABOUT THE CONNOTATION OF BEING BLACK AS A REASON FOR MURDER IS THAT OK ? THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN LONDON YOU JUST DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT OR YOU ARE TOO CAUGHT UP IN YOUR SMALL MATERIAL WORLD WHERE REALITY IS HARD SEEN " THE AMMOUNT OF BLACK YOUTHS BEING KILLED IN POLICE CELLS IS WHAT WE THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING IS DEFINITELY WRONG YOU CAN NOT PUT A SPIN ON MURDER . YOU ARE TV INSENSITIVE TO MURDER THERE ARE BABIES WOMEN AND CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN FEAR OF BOMBINGS DAILY INFEEAR OF BOMBINGS DAILY THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU DO NOT SEE THINGS YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO STOP MSO WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE BEING KILLED BY POLICE YOU YOU THINK THAT IT ONLY HAPPENS TO THOSE WHO ARE CRIMINALS SO ITS OK/ WHERE ARE YOUR MORALS ? NO KILLING IS OOK YOU ARE ACOWARD AND AFRAID TO SPEAK UP FOR THE RIGHTS OF BLACK PEOPLE YOU PREFER TO COWER LIKE A SMALL ANIMAL WHO LIVES IN FEAR" HUMAN BEINGS HAVE INTELLECT WHCH THEY USE TO DEDUCT TRUTH FROM UNTRUTH THERE IS A REACTION TO EVERY ACTION SO ALL THOSE WHO ARE SO WHITE AND LIVE IN THIS BUBBLE OF SECURITY THAT YOU THINK YOU HAVE ITS TIEM TO WAKE UP IF YOU DONT HAVE UNITY IF YOU GIVE THEM THE POWER TO KILL YOUR YOUTH THENYOU WILL BE JUDGED AS THEY WILL BE JUDGED THERE ARE NO FREE RIDS IN LIFE DONT FORGET THAT !! THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT MEN DO AND THINK THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH IT FOR THERE IS NO GODBUT THEY ARE WRONG AND SO ARE YOU IT IS NOT UP TO YOU TO CONDONE KILING OF HUMANITY WE DO NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY SO WHEN YOU HEAR OF AN ILLEGAL KILLING DEFEND THE PRINCIPLE OF WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG NO HUMAN BEING HAS THE RIGHT TO GUN DOWN ANOTHER HUMAN BEING WHETHER HE IS A GANGSTA OR NOT" THE MURDER OF BLACK YOUTHS ARE TOO COMMON ITS DONE BY A RACIST POLICE FORCE THAT ENCOURTAGES THE YOUTHS TO BECOME CRIMINALISD BY INSUFFICIENT FUNDS FOR THEIR EDUCATION THERE ARE NO AFTER SCHOOL ACTIVITIES SO DO NOT BECOME WHITE BECAUSE YOU FEEL YOU HAVE SECURITY OF JOB OR WHAT EVR YOU MAY BELEIVE . A BALCK MAN FOUGHT FOR YOU TO HAVE THOSE RIGHT SO DO NOT GET IT TWISTED THE YOUHS OF GENERATION SBEFORE YOU HAD TO FIGHT AGAINST STRONGER THAN WHAT YOU SEE THEY FOUGHT AGAINST VISIBLE RACIALISM SO DO NOT GET UPPITY AND RATIONALISE BLACK MURDER AS IF IT DONT COUNT EVERY DROP OF BLACK BLOOD COUNT AND IT WILL BE CREDITED TO THE MURDERER. AS FOR THE FOOLISH JAMAICAN WHO WANTS TO BE WHITE THIS THE PROBLEM WHY WE HAVE SO MUCH YOUTHS OF TRACK THEY DONT HAVR NO ONE TEACH THEM ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE THOSE WHO ARE COCONUTS!!!!!

He was warning friends about what exactly? That they needed to hide or dispose of stuff they shouldn't have perhaps. Like Guns perhaps? He was on the lookout for undercover police? Why?

This is not the behaviour of a law abiding citizen with nothing to hide. Was it?? What do you think? You need to be honest about this.

It is utterly beyond me how anyone can defend someone in a gang or involved in any of these mindless violence. I have no sympathy or compassion for anyone involved in a gang. Throw them all in jail.

Ok so now we hear it was police issue bullet pulled from the radio and he had a gun on his person I don't in know way condone people having guns for street cred although people want justice for mr duggans death remember his children will be forever associated with these riots he has a daughter who knew her father for a yr two sons who idolised their father and family wanting answers again the looters need to see that their way of requesting justice is the wrong way they only cause further harm with sayin this mr duggan was associated with a street gang and was known to possess firearms the question that no one has asked yet is with three small children was the firearm in the house !!!!! People are saying he was a good man and no doubt he was but the legacy he has left his children isn't one they will want to brag about !!!

If this guy was being investigated and had a firearm at his possession at the time in which the police shot him. I see there little to be surprised about. Gun crime needs to be stopped.

Whilst we are saddened by the loss of life and have a million questions about the circumstances of this loss, we need to all also remember one thing... He was being investigated by TRIDENT... This implies that in some way he has links to guns and/or gun crime.

Whilst we respect the family and their pain at this time, please consider this fact...

Whilst I categorically condemn all forms of gang related violence, the failure by the Metropolitan Police to provide the family of the deceased with appropriate information and support is unacceptable and I urge the Voice to continue making this point. The way this family has been treated is a further example of the sheer lack of respect the police have for the black community – racism is London lives on and lets not forget it.
Areas like Tottenham and Brixton have improved transformed (or however, you want to term it) one thing that has remained the same or worsened is poverty and lack of opportunity for our young people. If we look at police stop and search, over the last 25 years we have seen a steady increase in the numbers of young black men being stopped. Moreover, in both the areas mentioned above, there is a growing divide between the more affluent and poorer communities.

Good for the grieving family to speak out against the violence in this terrible time for them, it can only be imagined what they are going through, but "“I think it’s [police claims] rubbish. I know my brother is that sort of person. He would not shoot at the police. That’s ridiculous." - sorry, while I agree it seems unlikely he shot at police, that statement doesn't go nearly far enough. The questions that need to be answered are: did he possess a gun?/was he a member of/associated with a gang? I have no doubt Duggan was a good man at heart. Most humans are. But the bottom line is, weapon possession and street gang membership/association simply must not be brushed under the carpet and made to seem somehow acceptable, somehow `a part of life'. To in any way seem to excuse such a lifestyle choice is incalculably damaging to the horizons of our precious future generations. There is a massive responsibility to report this in a way that does not in any way seem to excuse gang culture. (Proviso: If it turns out Duggan was not associated with any gang and had never touched a gun then, well in that case this is a beyond horrific case.)

If it transpires that Mr Duggan was indeed a member of a street gang and that he was not a stranger to the possession of firearms: then in that case, The Voice, please, you MUST categorically denounce Mr Duggan and his ilk on your front pages. Nothing less will do. If you make Mr Duggan's apparent gang lifestyle seem in ANY way acceptable or excusable: then you will be contributing yourselves to the continuation of such a pernicious culture. The Voice: this is your moment, FOR THE SAKE OF FUTURE GENERATIONS YOU MUST NOT TURN MR DUGGAN INTO SOME KIND OF VICTIM. It is SO important that you take control and lead by example here.

The British Black community must now seize the moment and turn around the excuses culture. Hopefully political dinosaur Ken Livingstone's embarrassing old-school "let's blame errrr.... someone/something else as well as the perpetrators.. I know what, let's blame the government" speech about these events will be the nail in the coffin of excuses culture. It's time to stop bandying around statistics about collectivist outcomes and focus on INDIVIDUAL/FAMILY ACHIEVEMENT, INDIVIDUAL/FAMILY RESPONSBILITY. Who cares, for example, which badly behaved boys get excluded from school or which not especially hard-working kids fail their GCSEs. ALL that matters is that well-behaved pupils don't get excluded, and bright hard-working black boys do well in their GCSEs. It is time for the Black Community to learn from the success stories and stop wallowing in collectivist excuses/blame culture. This disgrace - rioting in the black strongholds of London and turning some gang person taken out by the police into a "victim" is the end result of years of excuses, low standards, and seeing the world through the prism of a skin colour "community" instead of through a family/individual responsibility prism.

The key question is: did Mark Duggan own a gun? It doesn't matter whether he used it against police or not - there must be zero tolerance in the UK against unauthorized ownership by private citizens of lethal weapons, and against gang culture. No excuses. The events of the past few days must represent a watershed in this country: this MUST mark the end of the excuses culture. There is NO excuse for not being a good citizen.

I'm sorry but by the look of this picture he's covered in bling and making a gun gesture. Self responsibility anyone?

Well, there's no doubt which side you're on in this then - scandalous!